I’d prefer you to see a pretty audio player – though the sound quality is pure raw.
Here’s the best I can give you – because this is a WordPress.com site.
If only this was a WordPress.org site … things would look different & sound the same.
But – maybe your look would change the sound you hear?
David Gluckman, author, is here
https://anchor.fm/paulomahony/embed/episodes/David-Gluckman-in-Ireland-1-e140ve/a-a2h0a9